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Message started by warren on Jul 5th, 2012, 3:59pm

Title: RV's on the beach.
Post by warren on Jul 5th, 2012, 3:59pm

I just read a story about Wildwood considering allowing RV's on the beach to of course fill a budget shortfall. My personal opinion is that the beach should be left as is, a place for people. The story is on page six of The Wildwood Leader.

http://www.thewildwoodleader.com/index-flip.html

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Jul 5th, 2012, 6:13pm

Seems like another desperate Wildwood beach idea.   George

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by cottoncandy on Jul 5th, 2012, 6:47pm

We are busy enough at the WPD to have yet another thing to monitor.
If it's not broke, please don't fix it
and the Wildwood Beach is not broke
agree?

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Steve63 on Jul 5th, 2012, 8:42pm

I agree. Please don't turn part of the beach into a parking lot! I have nothing against RV's, but the Wildwood beach is not the place for them.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by wildwoodgirl on Jul 5th, 2012, 9:04pm

If you have an RV, you go to a campground.  Simple.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MMM on Jul 5th, 2012, 11:17pm

Wouldn't allowing RV's to stay on the beach possibly hurt motel business?

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by DooWopper on Jul 6th, 2012, 8:38pm


MMM wrote:
Wouldn't allowing RV's to stay on the beach possibly hurt motel business?


If what I heard correctly from the Herald Spout Off I think the amount of RV's permitted on the beach would be pretty limited. We're talking dozens, not hundreds, so I don't think the motels would really hurt. These people would probably end up staying at an RV campground elsewhere, so by actually staying in Wildwood they would probably patronize the boardwalk and other local establishments more. Despite that fact, I still think its a pretty lousy idea to have them on the beach. If there was a big bayfront lot that would be a different story, what about where that solar farm was supposed to go?

One must remember most people with RV's have $$$, these probably aren't the hillbilly type people many people are making them out to be. When I see large RV groupings here they are usually relatively wealthy retirees.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MMM on Jul 7th, 2012, 3:08am

I see.  I've heard of some people that travel in one that will also stay in a motel/hotel occasionally on their trip.  When I go to the Dog Show at the Convention Center each February, there are LOTS of RVs parked there.  Some people stay in the motels that are open, but many seem to use the RVs.  That's sort of a special case though...

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Jul 10th, 2012, 2:30pm

http://www.capemaycountyherald.com/article/84453-wildwood+verge+becoming+parking+lot+camden


Excellant article in the Editorial section of Cape May Herald regarding this subject

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by warren on Jul 10th, 2012, 3:03pm

Interesting editorial. Thanks for posting it. Reading the article did two things for me. First, it added to my opinion that the beaches should be left STRICTLY for beach goers on foot. Second, she stated that there are already hurting restaurants that would be hurt by the RV's and further the need to generate additional income with more upscale attractions. My question then becomes, are we dealing with less than full occupancy in the Wildwoods this year? Are the numbers down? If that is not the case then it seems to me the income base is already there and spending. Nothing against more upscale attractions. There is a mix of income levels of course that are vacationing there. I would like other peoples opinion on this if you would be so kind.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Steve63 on Jul 10th, 2012, 7:01pm

Thanks for posting that article. Very interesting. I know I'd be very upset (was going to say something harsher lol) if I lived in Ocean Towers and the view changed from a beautiful beach to a parking lot.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by wildwood_since_85 on Jul 10th, 2012, 9:20pm


warren wrote:
My question then becomes, are we dealing with less than full occupancy in the Wildwoods this year? Are the numbers down?


Hey Warren I was in Wildwood today. I had a conversation with a man and his wife who own a parking lot and pizza place. He said business this year is slower than last. He seemed to be very upfront with me and not one of these people who cries even when business is good.

Now i know thats quite a small sampling of feedback but...i figured id share 1 couples perspective

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Jul 10th, 2012, 10:35pm

Perhaps things are slow in Wildwood, but I don't think too many businesses in the Crest are complaining just yet.   George

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by wildwood_since_85 on Jul 10th, 2012, 10:49pm

Im not saying that i think things are bad but one thing..on the posts you made in the matador thread about how crowded the crest was..it was a weekend. i think that would be a given no matter what

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Melissa1978 on Jul 10th, 2012, 11:46pm

I say keep them off  there   are plenty of campgrounds around the wildwoods I'm sure. I don't want to go out on my balcony at the port royal , and see RVs on the crest beach thanks I rather look at sand and  water it's 100% nicer than some ugly RVs I don't care if it's rich RVs or hillbilly  ones.


I don't want to look at them...

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Jul 11th, 2012, 9:39am

http://www.capemaycountyherald.com/article/84716-rvs+beach+proposal+isn%E2%80%99t+good

Another editorial in the Cape May Herald on-line regarding RV's on beach.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Jul 11th, 2012, 3:08pm

I am posting the below thoughts and concerns for a property owner who lives on Ocean Ave near the site of the proposed RV parking site. I am sure that many others have the same concerns as her, as I do also.

"I am writing to express my strong concerns over the proposed Residential RV Parking on the beach in Wildwood. I am not sure what would have prompted our city to consider such a notion but I have numerous concerns about the impact of this on our community. Most of my concerns center around the lifestyle issues of RV Campers, with grills, pets, drinking, etc. part of their “community”

A few of the issues that I am concerned about are:
•      The sound impact of having RV generators and engines running - presently we can hear the ocean waves from our property - a much more pleasant sound than motors and generators.
•      The environmental impact of the fumes from said generators and engines running constantly. And depending on the wind - a breeze we generally appreciate - could carry these fumes quite a distance through our town and affect everyone’s enjoyment of our beautiful beach and boardwalk.
•      The environmental impact of vehicles leaking oil and other engine fluids and, possibly septic fluids, into the sand of our beautiful beach.
•      The impact on the view of our beautiful beach. The trees were removed from the Hand/Ocean parking lot because some of the residents were concerned that their view of the ocean was impeded by them. I am sure these residents (as well as my family) would rather look at trees instead of RVs, Antenna, and other assorted rooftop paraphernalia.
•      Where will these “residents” dump their trash? Or their waste water? Or their cigarettes?
•      Will these “residents” be allowed to have alcohol? Tax paying residents of the Wildwoods are currently prohibited from having alcohol on the beach or boardwalk.
•      Will these “residents” be allowed to have domestic pets? Tax paying residents f the Wildwoods are currently prohibited from bringing their domestic pets on the beach or boardwalk.
•      Will these “residents” be allowed to have campfires or grills? Another thing that taxpayers in the Wildwoods are prohibited from using the beach for.
•      Additionally there are “wild card” issues of safety, security, and liability that defy prediction until they come to pass but could not help but cause a detrimental effect on our beautiful beach and boardwalk community.
In short, I am deeply concerned that our beautiful beach and boardwalk will degenerate into a campground the likes of nearby Fort Apache. In these economic times, I realize that government must embrace all options to remain solvent - but this would be a mistake. Wildwood has revamped her image in recent years and this campground would be several steps in the wrong direction. If an RV park is indeed the best solution, perhaps another location that be less impact on our beautiful beach would be smarter - for example, the old dump around Susquehanna. Another option to raise needed funds could be to charge for the beach access.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by FlyinGN on Jul 11th, 2012, 6:51pm

all great points MABcove...

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by cringey on Jul 12th, 2012, 12:47am

Even though I'm an outsider (visitor)  this whole talk about charging for beach access is worrying me.  
I think for the last 3-4 day trip we paid enough in extra taxes the city levys for the room to almost pay for a whole extra night.  

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by DooWopper on Jul 12th, 2012, 10:33am

The room tax is very high. I agree with the motel owners that condo owners who rent have an unfair advantage as their renters escape the what, 14% room tax? As for vehicles on the beach, my opinion is pretty much this state wide, only 4x4 vehicles in the off-season with permits for fishing only. I don't like the ideas of RVs on the beach, give them a nice batside location with appropriate facilities. The beach needs footprints, not oily tire tracks.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Jul 15th, 2012, 5:03pm

The E. Cresse Ave entrance also borders Wildwood Crest. I wonder if Wildwood is going to take into consideration what it's Crest neighbors think about sharing that beach entrance and using it for RVs?    George

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by warren on Jul 15th, 2012, 5:20pm

It seems that whatever relatively few RV's that would be allowed entrance to the beach would be a negligible drop in the bucket money wise. Unless they are considering allowing large numbers it would not seem worth it.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Jul 18th, 2012, 2:14pm

How smart is this idea after they decided to put in the new Crest ramp that connects to the boardwalk at that spot?   George

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Jul 23rd, 2012, 8:30am

I thought I had read somewhere that the RV's would only be allowed on the beach area until 11:00 PM, with no overnight parking. I am now hearing differently that overnight parking will be allowed. Also is there any truth to them building some type of "staging area" for the RV's?

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Melissa1978 on Jul 23rd, 2012, 1:00pm

I'm hoping if it is taking into consideration the crest  says no. I don't need too look at those and don't want too and my mother will also not want to look at That and my stepfather as well.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Jul 23rd, 2012, 1:43pm

Troiano needs to have his head examined. He should be more concerned about the danger zones on and off the boardwalk instead of allowing RVs on the beach directy in front of a luxury condominium complex at that very busy E Cresse Ave location! If he realy wants to help raise revenue then tax condo and townhome rentals like they do motel and hotels! At least he's going to get a real fight from the people at Ocean Towers because they already declared war on his big idea at the last town meeting.    George

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Melissa1978 on Jul 23rd, 2012, 2:04pm


tradewinds wrote:
Troiano needs to have his head examined. He should be more concerned about the danger zones on and off the boardwalk instead of allowing RVs on the beach directy in front of a luxury condominium complex at that very busy E Cresse Ave location! If he realy wants to help raise revenue then tax condo and townhome rentals like they do motel and hotels! At least he's going to get a real fight from the people at Ocean Towers because they already declared war on his big idea at the last town meeting.    George



good I hope ocean towers fights him again also so should aqua beach and adventurer they are pretty close to there too. When I stayed at aqua beach in 2008 we were able to walk right to the boardwalk in 2 minutes :)

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Jul 23rd, 2012, 4:08pm

Heard that there may be a peaseful demonstrations this coming Sat. 7/28 in the area close to the RV's

Will post if I get additional details.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Jul 23rd, 2012, 6:31pm

Last Thursday (according to www.nbc40.net) the number of RVs allowed on the beach was around 80.   George

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MMM on Jul 24th, 2012, 2:41am


tradewinds wrote:
...tax condo and townhome rentals like they do motel and hotels!


Agree, but island wide.  If someone is staying somewhere for less than a month, it's all transient lodging on paper.  I don't see how the form of ownership or style of lodging should influence whether these taxes are collected on a stay or not.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Jul 24th, 2012, 9:33am

In regard to MMM comment on the uniform tax for condos and townhouses

Sorry but not trying to get off subject on this topic of RV's on beach which I feel would still be happening if everyone was taxed uniformily. more revenue would mean more senseless spending. It's not like they would get this addtional revenue and  would then reduce the tax from 14% to 10% for the motels/hotels to help them out by leveling the playing field. The city would find ways to spend this addtional revenue on some senseless project(s) rather then helping reduce the deficit or keeping taxes down. When was the last time a city government reduced taxes in spite of increased revenues, its a one way street. Find it hard to believe that this hotel tax has anything to do with the city allowing RV's on the beach....from others comments it seems to go much deeper.

They raised the WW tourism tax to condos/townhouses by four-fold to help level the playing field for the Hotel/motels. So where is all this addtional revenue going to? One who think/hope that they could reduce the cost of the Tourism Tax for the motels with these additional revenues. Guessing they just raised there spending budget rather then helping out the motels or vacationers.

So back to the topic of RV's on the beach.......lets focus on the issue at hand. What does everyone want, a sea of waves or a sea of RV's?.... I vote for the waves

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Jul 24th, 2012, 11:16am

Article in Press of AC  regarding RV protest on Sat.


WILDWOOD — A planned protest over the city’s decision to allow recreational vehicles to park on the beach has its own legal challenge.

Property owners at Wildwood Ocean Towers, a 10-story, 176-unit building that fronts the Boardwalk between Cresse and Bennett avenues, oppose the plan to allow 80 RVs to park on the beach near their homes. They received permission from the city to hold a protest Saturday.

“The overall message we want to get across is to not allow the city to do this,” condominium association President Bob Grandinetti said.

But instead of being allowed to hold the event on the Boardwalk, the city, citing safety concerns, has said the protest must be held on the beach in a one-block section between Cresse and Hildreth avenues. The city also wants the association to obtain a $1 million insurance certificate naming Wildwood as an additional insured for the protest.

“In granting the application, the city placed onerous restrictions on the association’s right of free expression,” reads the complaint filed in Cape May County Superior Court by the condominium association.

The association charges that the city’s decision means the protest would have to take place “effectively out of view of the public” in an area cluttered with construction equipment.

Roseland, Essex County-based association attorney Kaspar G. Karim, a longtime Wildwood visitor, said the association wants to hold the protest in a much more visible location on the Boardwalk at Rio Grande Avenue.

Mayor Ernie Troiano Jr. said Monday that having the protest on the beach rather than the Boardwalk was a matter of safety, given the heavy pedestrian and bike traffic on the boardwalk on summer weekends.

A judge is being asked to settle the matter so the protest can be held Saturday, but in the meantime the two sides continue to argue about what’s best for the city.

Troiano said the plan to allow RVs to park on the beach near Cresse Avenue is one component in a comprehensive programming and improvement plan for the city’s beach.

In a document created by Remington, Vernick & Walberg Engineers, the city details its plan to turn the vast beach into a hub of activity.

Possibilities include cabana rentals, fire pits, outdoor movies, surfing, beach bars, a fitness beach, rollerskating and rollerblading.

The goal of the plan is to “transform the beach (and Boardwalk) and reinforce the Wildwoods’ position as a leader in family oriented entertainment,” it says.

“We’re trying to create recurring revenue,” Troiano said, noting that many of the activities will charge user fees. “This is not a one-trick pony.”

The city, which has yet to introduce its 2012 budget, has been struggling to develop revenue streams. According to the state Department of Community Affairs' Division of Local Government Services, municipal budgets were supposed to be introduced by March 9 and adopted by April 4.

Grandinetti, a resident of Marlton, Burlington County, said he understood the need for the city to increase revenue, but he said the association opposes the RV aspect of the beach plan for several reasons.

“Our position is the city should look at other ways to generate revenue,” he said, suggesting more could be done to entice developers and to enforce parking-meter regulations in the city.

Grandinetti said the recreational vehicles would be an eyesore and would cause environmental problems and traffic jams.

He said oil drips and the waste the RVs produce, along with questions about how they would affect traffic at Cresse Avenue, where the Wildwood Crest bike path and the Boardwalk meet, are among the association’s concerns.

“It’s a bad idea for Wildwood in general, primarily because of the environmental issues,” he said.

Troiano, a lifelong city resident, said many of the complaints he had heard had nothing to do with the environment.

“They’re telling me, ‘I don’t want to see some white-trash trailer park in front of my property,’” Troiano said. “Shame on you for making those comments.”

Troiano said there will be rules in place for the RV owners to follow, and the park will be professionally run.

He said rather than reduce property values, the RV park and other beach amenities will ultimately increase the value of homes in Wildwood.

And, in the end, Troiano said, economics will decide the RV park’s future.

“If the RV park doesn’t work, we’ll look at eliminating it,” Troiano said.

Contact Trudi Gilfillian:

609-463-6716

TGilfillian@pressofac.com

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Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by cottoncandy on Jul 24th, 2012, 12:38pm

Oh boy, I see our 911 lines lighting up when this all happens! Yikes!!! ::)
What about the RV Owners who historically travel as a 'Total Family' with their Pets?
I know most of the campgrounds up in Cape May allow you to bring your Dogs with you.
I hope for fact if this does happen, they put some king of boundries on this whole mess. People will think because they are RV'ing in the Crest that it's ok to bring the Dog or Dogs where we all as locals can't go with Dogs like the Boardwalk (in season) and the Beach.

What a mess!
Just off the top of my head, I thought the Island had a No RV/ No Trailer rule.
I am going to have to check at work about that.
Environmental wise, this concerns me with the excess oil and trash on the beach.
Well, time will tell what will happen
I almost always support Wildwood, but this one as a Native, i'm not too happy.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Jul 24th, 2012, 12:42pm

I always thought Troiano was a little arrogant, but now I'm convinced of it.    George

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MMM on Jul 24th, 2012, 12:47pm


MABcove wrote:
In regard to MMM comment on the uniform tax for condos and townhouses...
They raised the WW tourism tax to condos/townhouses by four-fold to help level the playing field for the Hotel/motels.


I don't want to derail thing too much, but thanks!

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by watchthetramcar on Jul 24th, 2012, 12:51pm


cottoncandy wrote:
Oh boy, I see our 911 lines lighting up when this all happens! Yikes!!! ::)
What about the RV Owners who historically travel as a 'Total Family' with their Pets?
I know most of the campgrounds up in Cape May allow you to bring your Dogs with you.
I hope for fact if this does happen, they put some king of boundries on this whole mess. People will think because they are RV'ing in the Crest that it's ok to bring the Dog or Dogs where we all as locals can't go with Dogs like the Boardwalk (in season) and the Beach.

What a mess!
Just off the top of my head, I thought the Island had a No RV/ No Trailer rule.
I am going to have to check at work about that.
Environmental wise, this concerns me with the excess oil and trash on the beach.
Well, time will tell what will happen
I almost always support Wildwood, but this one as a Native, i'm not too happy.



What about the hook-up's for the sites? Water, Sewer & Electric? Are they installing them on the beach? Just wondering
or don't they need the hook-up's? I don't know since I don't camp

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MMM on Jul 24th, 2012, 1:06pm

The other possibilities noted in the article above for utilizing the (very wide) Wildwood proper beach don't sound like a bad idea, but a cluster of RVs does.  It's not even that they're RVs - it could be any motor vehicle for me - it's more that having a glorified parking lot on the beach is not something that would be considered "entertainment" (except maybe for those actually parked there) or something that can enhance the beach/boardwalk experience.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Bryan on Jul 26th, 2012, 2:24pm

As much chaos as this suggestion would cause, and I'm probably oversimplifying... but if this goes into effect, couldn't residents and people/businesses localized to that area blitz the police with complaints to the point that the PD would be on their side just to make those stop?

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Jul 26th, 2012, 10:27pm

Visited friends today at Ocean Towers and noticed that everything has been set up on the beach for the scheduled arrival of RVs on Saturday.   >:(     George

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by wildwood_since_85 on Jul 26th, 2012, 11:00pm

Any word on how many are gonna be rolling in on sat..wow this seemed to happen real fast

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Roberts Avenue on Jul 28th, 2012, 10:49pm

A report on today's protest:

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/top_three/protest-plan-to-allow-rvs-on-the-beach-in-wildwood/article_11fe3860-d90e-11e1-a036-0019bb2963f4.html

Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2012 7:45 pm

By RICHARD DEGENER Staff Writer

About 300 protesters, carrying signs and chanting in unison, walked the Wildwood Boardwalk between Leaming and Hildreth avenues Saturday to fight a city plan to allow recreational vehicles on the beach.

“No RVs on our beach, no RVs,” chanted protesters, many of whom own condominiums at the nearby Wildwood Ocean Towers.

A banner plane even flew overhead protesting the RV plan. The placards protesters carried summed up some of their concerns.

“We want dunes, not RVs,” read one.

“RVs belong in a campground,” read another.

The city plans to allow RVs on the beach as a way to increase revenue. The city does not have beach tags, but Mayor Ernie Troiano is hoping to create some form of recurring revenue from the strand.

Robert Ferris, a member of the condominium association, said the city may realize $200,000 in revenue by allowing RVs but may lose as much in taxes as properties are devalued.

“Our building has 176 units, and we pay about $1 million in taxes. This will devalue our properties. They will lose in property tax whatever they gain in revenue,” Ferris said.

Most of the protesters, who also came from neighboring Wildwood Crest and North Wildwood, were not concerned with economics as much as safety, pollution, noise and other issues.

“Water comes up to the Boardwalk in a storm, and in a good storm comes under the Boardwalk,” said condo owner Bruce Balady. “What will they do, tow out the RVs?”

Another concern is using Cresse Avenue to access the beach. The protesters say this is a busy area and that it is not a safe plan.

“All it will take is one accident, and that will be the end of this,” said Karim Kaspar, the attorney for the protesters.

Several protesters were worried about their children and grandchildren going to the beach and having to pass the RVs.

“I don’t want my grandchildren walking through a trailer park,” said Willa Piplitz, who has lived across the street on Ocean Avenue since 1947.

Condo owner Andy Thomas worried about the types of people who would camp on the beach.

“It will be like an Eagles game with tailgaters getting drunk,” Thomas said.

Pollution is another concern. The park will not have electricity, so the protesters say generators will be running all night long, causing air and noise pollution. Some worry about sewage being dumped on the beach, as the RVs will have to use their own holding tanks while they are there.

“They will dump when nobody’s looking. They don’t want to take it back with them,” said Colette Pecsi, who lives six blocks away in Wildwood Crest.

There was also a bit of animosity about perks the RVs owners could avail themselves of on beaches that are officially closed to the public between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m.

“Residents can’t have a pet on the beach. We can’t grill on the beach. We can’t have alcohol. We can’t even go on the beach after 10 o’clock at night,” said Ocean Avenue resident Cindy Criss.

Some offered solutions. Pecsi said the city should institute a minimal beach tag fee to raise money from the beaches. Others just wanted the RVs moved to a different beach.

The area for the RVs has been staked out with 78 spots, but none is actually there yet. Ian Cairns, whose company Point Break Group Management LLC recently received a five-year beach concession contract, said RV rentals will begin this week at $150 a night for a 60-foot spot and $120 for a 30-foot spot.

“It’s a huge beach. There’s tons of room for everyone,” Cairns said.

The RVs, Cairns noted, are just one component of a beach festival that will run for five weekends beginning Aug. 18. He said they got a late start this year, but plans are for beach events between Memorial Day and Labor Day in 2013. The company’s plans include teaching surfing and paddle-boarding while offering volleyball, inflatable water slides, water cannons for children, BMX competitions, platforms for skateboarding, paintball, and other events. Cairns said he has founded surfing competitions in California.

“All of the issues they are protesting are the same issues we are concerned about. I’ve been a surfer for 45 years. I want to surf in a clean ocean,” Cairns said.

He said a crew will handle trash and there will be security at the RV location. All RVs will be required to pump out sewage before they arrive and, if they fill up, will be required to leave and pump out again. Cairns said RV generators are very quiet.

“They will be an asset to Wildwood and will bring revenue to businesses,” Cairns said.

Robert Grandinetti, president of the condominium association, said the protest “was outstanding. He said only about 100 of the 300 protesters were from Wildwood Ocean Towers. He said the group also collected signatures on a petition protesting the RVs.

“We’ll give it to (Mayor) Troiano, for what it’s worth. We’re not sure he’s listening to us,” Grandinetti said.

Contact Richard Degener:

609-463-6711

RDegener@pressofac.com

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Steve63 on Jul 29th, 2012, 12:07pm

It looks like I won't be staying at the Adventurer again.  :( I like an oceanfront room and don't want a view of a parking lot  >:(  The safety issue is important too. Many people access the boardwalk right where the vehicles will be driving on to the beach. What the heck is going on in the city leader's minds? I don't want RV's on the beach, but wouldn't the area at the Convention Center be a more suitable spot? There are no oceanfront motels or homes there. Maybe vehicle access is the problem, but how do trucks get to the Convention Center to re-supply? Isn't there a tunnel under the boardwalk there? Not wide or high enough? We can only hope the protests help get rid of this "brilliant" idea or not many RV's actually show up and the plan gets trashed.  

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MMM on Jul 29th, 2012, 12:41pm

There is a driveway that goes down from street level on Ocean Avenue for the Convention Center, yes.  I'm not familiar with its dimensions, clearances, etc.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by wildwood_since_85 on Jul 29th, 2012, 1:27pm


Steve63 wrote:
It looks like I won't be staying at the Adventurer again.  :( I like an oceanfront room and don't want a view of a parking lot  >: 


Sad

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by warren on Jul 29th, 2012, 1:38pm

I have a question for those on here who have undoubtedly had the pleasure of driving on the beach at some point....what challenge if any does the sand give to a heavy vehicle as far as the possibility of getting stuck. How well does a vehicle traverse the soft dry sand? Any issue?

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Roberts Avenue on Jul 29th, 2012, 1:38pm

As far as I know, that driveway goes into the Convention Center, not to any beach access.



MMM wrote:
There is a driveway that goes down from street level on Ocean Avenue for the Convention Center, yes.  I'm not familiar with its dimensions, clearances, etc.


Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by FlyinGN on Jul 29th, 2012, 2:32pm


warren wrote:
I have a question for those on here who have undoubtedly had the pleasure of driving on the beach at some point....what challenge if any does the sand give to a heavy vehicle as far as the possibility of getting stuck. How well does a vehicle traverse the soft dry sand? Any issue?


That is an excellent point Warren and one I was pondering myself. I know for a fact its easy for a lighter 4 wheel drive to get bogged and stuck in soft sand, I can't imagine how its gonna support  heavier 2 wd vehicles..  I watched a newer Ford 4wd NWW city vehicle get stuck last summer at the point... Very easy to get stuck

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by FlyinGN on Jul 29th, 2012, 2:32pm

delete double post ;D

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Steve63 on Jul 29th, 2012, 2:34pm


Roberts Avenue wrote:
As far as I know, that driveway goes into the Convention Center, not to any beach access.


[quote author=MMM link=1341518388/30#42 date=1343580094]There is a driveway that goes down from street level on Ocean Avenue for the Convention Center, yes.  I'm not familiar with its dimensions, clearances, etc.

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I have pictures of tractor trailers driving on the beach. They were getting on at Cresse Ave. Several years ago I was staying at the Adventurer and it had rained hard a day or so before my arrival and that driveway to the Convention Center was closed due to flooding. I'm guessing there are pumps to keep the driveway open and they failed.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Steve63 on Jul 29th, 2012, 2:55pm


wildwood_since_85 wrote:
[quote author=Steve63 link=1341518388/30#41 date=1343578022]It looks like I won't be staying at the Adventurer again.  :( I like an oceanfront room and don't want a view of a parking lot  >: 


Sad
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Sad indeed. I'm thinking about contacting someone at the Adventurer and voicing my concerns. I'm sure they're upset too. Imagine someone's surprise after checking in and going out on their oceanfront balcony and seeing a bunch of RV's on the beach. Not everybody knows about the RV plan and will have a rude awakening soon after arrival in Wildwood. This whole situation really bothers me. Did any of the residents or business owners have any say in this? I'm thinking no! I thought government was supposed to be for the people and by the people. Apparently not.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by watchthetramcar on Jul 30th, 2012, 2:39pm

OMG
What are they thinking?

This changes the whole dynamic of the beach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RrId4ItxNw&list=UUpfAaOP9l1Zv0xDdIUbCpcA&index=1&feature=plcp

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Jul 30th, 2012, 8:39pm

The Adventurer is in Wildwood Crest not Wildwood. Except for the E. Cresse Ave beach entrance/exit the RVs will not be interfering with the Adventurer's beachfront. The RVs are being located north of the Adventurer towards Ocean Tower before the convention center. Unfortunately, these RVs on the beach are now Wildwood's problem.  George

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Steve63 on Jul 31st, 2012, 7:21am


tradewinds wrote:
The Adventurer is in Wildwood Crest not Wildwood. Except for the E. Cresse Ave beach entrance/exit the RVs will not be interfering with the Adventurer's beachfront. The RVs are being located north of the Adventurer towards Ocean Tower before the convention center. Unfortunately, these RVs on the beach are now Wildwood's problem.  George


I watched the video posted be watchthetramcar. Thanks btw. I now see where the RV area is. I was under the impression the area was directly in front of Ocean Towers and not a little north of there. Sorry for overreacting, but I still don't like the idea. Had it been in front of OT it would have been in plain view at the Adventurer.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by watchthetramcar on Jul 31st, 2012, 8:19am

whatever the case,
it's still Not going to be Pretty!

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by wildwood_since_85 on Jul 31st, 2012, 8:22am

I thought it was going to be directly in front of OT also.

Im trying to think of anything positive about it but so far havent been able to

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by markcpeyko on Jul 31st, 2012, 9:27am

I think it cheapens the resort and downgrades the experience for people who stay in the hotels and motels. It's probably going to have a negative impact on how people view the resort. My first beef, however, is environmental.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by warren on Jul 31st, 2012, 10:24am

I agree with the contention that it "cheapens" the resort. I think that is well reasoned . It dilutes something from it's original strength. It almost seems odd in a way to use the beach for RV's. IMO it just does not fit.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by watchthetramcar on Jul 31st, 2012, 12:17pm

this reminds me of when the Starlux was in the planning stages for the moreys to put something 'Unique' in at the Hotel, and that was the Airstream Trailers.
I remember when the Moreys stated 'Whats better than staying at one of our Airstreams at the Beach'

Oh boy, now this whole thing is a mess!
My concern is the environmental aspect of this. My Partner who managed Holly Shores Campground years ago in Cape May, said that RV's really don't do well on the beach and if you have a older one, will push it to the limit and possibly have something dripping or leaking from below.
So like Vinegar & Oil don't mix, neither will the Oil or Transmission Fluid that will somehow makes it's way into the water from the sand.
So Yeah, I have a really big problem with this.  

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Jul 31st, 2012, 12:40pm

This "project" has DISASTER written all over it.   George

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by warren on Jul 31st, 2012, 3:10pm

Until I see a pic of the RV's in their spots, I can't visualize how or in what orientation they will be but it does seem from the pics of the posts that the proximity of the RV's to each other will be close. Seems like a good possibility of maneuvering problems could arise ect. Big RV's wallowing about in the sand close to each other. I agree with George that there is a great possibility of disaster here, in terms of workability.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by FlyinGN on Aug 1st, 2012, 6:44am


warren wrote:
Until I see a pic of the RV's in their spots, I can't visualize how or in what orientation they will be but it does seem from the pics of the posts that the proximity of the RV's to each other will be close. Seems like a good possibility of maneuvering problems could arise ect. Big RV's wallowing about in the sand close to each other. I agree with George that there is a great possibility of disaster here, in terms of workability.


It may have for some dandy youtube videos though  ;D

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by wildwood_since_85 on Aug 13th, 2012, 8:26pm

Any updates on the RV invasion?

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Aug 16th, 2012, 4:09pm

Just saw this on line Cape May Herald. Hopefully this is more than just a glimmer of hope.

"Petition Prompts City to Revisit RV Placement"
WILDWOOD — A petition with over 1,500 signatures was sent to the city’s governing body Aug. 14 by two local condominium associations who do not want to see recreational vehicles parked on the beach. And in response, the city will revisit the placement of the proposed park, Mayor Ernest Troiano told the Herald.

Signers of the petition ranged from city residents to vacationers from as far away as Canada.

“The condominium associations of Wildwood Ocean Towers and 300 E. Leaming Street stand united in their opposition to the city’s plan to allow RVs to park on our beaches,” wrote the boards of directors of both associations. The two associations asked the city to revisit the plan with its engineering firm and “challenge them to recommend beach friendly concessions to replace the RV campground.”

The city has proposed placing parking spots for 80 recreational vehicles on the southern end of its beach. Initially placed on the beach near Cresse Avenue, the proposed parking lo-cation was moved and would be located south of the Wildwoods Convention Center and north of Ocean Towers.

The petition called for the cancellation of all RV parking on the beach due to concerns about beach safety and access; environmental issues and potential traffic hazards.

“There is significant concern for the ability for residents and vacationers to safely access the beach from Leaming to Cresse without having to come in contact with the RVs or to cross paths with them,” noted the petition. “This RV park will be within one block of hundreds of residential condominium owners/taxpayers, numerous commercial businesses and will be next to the Wildwood Boardwalk where tens of thousands of tourists walk by.”

The petition noted a concern for environmental issues such as motor oil, transmission fluid or brake fluid being spilled onto the sand, as well as gray water, sewage discharge, pet waste and other waste generated by RVs. The petition called for the elimination of the pro-posed RV park for financial reasons. It noted, “There have been at least two contracts of sale at Wildwood Ocean Towers placed in jeopardy by the potential presence of RVs on the beach and other property owners have reported losses of renters for 2013 and beyond due to RV parking.”

At the June 27 City Commissioners meeting, Michael McCardy, an Ocean Towers condominium owner told city officials he, along with other condominium owners were interested in finding “an amicable solution to not have RVs parked in front of us.” During that meeting McCardy said “there is enough support within our community to hire a study and file an injunction against the city for the allowed use. We don’t want them. We want them on the southern side of the convention center.”

Placing recreational vehicles on the beach is part of the city’s plan to make the beach a money-making venture for the city. “Everyone complains about their taxes and everyone wants their taxes lowered,” said Troiano during the June 27 meeting. “We need to try and generate revenue. We have an expansive beach out there that is just a barren waste of money.”

Signers of the petition do not necessarily agree with the mayor’s take on a financial fix for the city’s empty coffers.

“Wildwood’s chief asset is its beaches and beaches should be protected at all costs,” wrote Jeanne LaSorda in a comment to the online petition. “This is the city’s first step, but it won’t stop with just 80 RVs. Once the beach is contaminated with motor oil, no one will want to sunbathe on it. When no one wants to vacation in Wildwood, the city won’t have to worry about a ‘revenue stream.’”

“People are entitled to their opinions,” said the mayor. “There will be a review of the location of the RVs.”




Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by tradewinds on Aug 16th, 2012, 4:25pm

The good news is that so far there have been no RVs on the beach. In fact, the town hasn't received one call from any RV owner interested in reserving a beach parking spot!  If that isn't embarassing enough for the Wildwood mayor, now it's being reported that the CEO of Point Break Management who "secured" the deal to operate and manage the RVs on the beach just so happens to have family ties to Troiano - though I'm sure it's all by "coincidence."  ::)    George  

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Bryan on Aug 17th, 2012, 11:28am

It's all well and good, both sides really... and I find myself strictly in the middle. I see it as a great revenue stream for the town that can alleviate tax burdens for many people. I think I'm just with the petitioners that it needs to be somewhere else. Where by the convention center were they talking? Why wasn't that the option in the first place?

Actually... why wouldn't that spot on the beach where the bleachers are, that used to host the monster truck and other motorsports events work? No one seemed to be bothered by the noise, fumes, motor oil, etc of that when it was a yearly event... I'm all for preserving the beaches, and keeping a tight regulation on any RVs... but I feel like some place on that long stretch of beach could work... one that's not as intrusive to beach-goers. I would think the current location being petitioned is rather intrusive...

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by scca28 on Aug 18th, 2012, 6:32am


Bryan wrote:
I think I'm just with the petitioners that it needs to be somewhere else. Where by the convention center were they talking? Why wasn't that the option in the first place?

Bryan, I'm thinking just south of the Convention Center? That's not really blocking anybody's view of anything. And the C-C has a walkway to get you to the beach, so no one would have to walk thru a bunch of RV's on their way. I guess if it has to be, then that would be my choice...

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by SandArtist on Aug 18th, 2012, 9:06pm

I read in an article just recently that the going price to have your RV on the Beach, no frills, was $150 per night. Many of the folks commenting on said article said that was a ridiculous price to pay when there were nice camp grounds nearby with all of the amenities for $75 a night.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Aug 21st, 2012, 8:46am

Heard that they have pulled up the wooden post on the beach where the RV's were to park. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?
Wondering if they have abandoned the concept or just going to relocate them elsewhere.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Bryan on Aug 21st, 2012, 3:34pm


SandArtist wrote:
I read in an article just recently that the going price to have your RV on the Beach, no frills, was $150 per night. Many of the folks commenting on said article said that was a ridiculous price to pay when there were nice camp grounds nearby with all of the amenities for $75 a night.


Well, in a way, that's probably a good price then to keep it from overcrowding. It *is* a luxury to be that close to the beach (literally on, heh) compared to the campgrounds. So for those that scoff at the price, go to the campgrounds. I don't doubt they carefully chose that price.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by Carl on Aug 21st, 2012, 6:45pm


MABcove wrote:
Heard that they have pulled up the wooden post on the beach where the RV's were to park. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?
Wondering if they have abandoned the concept or just going to relocate them elsewhere.


This is correct, the posts have been removed.

Also the beach access is now closed at Cresse Avenue due to the new bike ramp.

Regards to all,

Carl

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Aug 23rd, 2012, 9:22am

So has the RV parking south of the convention center been scraped? Or are they going to be relocated  to a new area along the WW beach?

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by MABcove on Aug 23rd, 2012, 10:50am

I think I may have answered by own question regarding what's happening with the RV's on beach since the post have been pulled out.

On page 6 of this weeks WW Leader there is an article saying that Wildwood has not recieved approval from the Health Dept to operate a campground on the beach. You can read it online at the Leaders website. I am sure that this will only be a matter of time before this is push through.

It goes on to say that Commissioner feel that they are still expecting RV's to be on the beach by Labor Day.


Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by markcpeyko on Aug 26th, 2012, 6:44pm

I wouldn't mind an RV park somewhere in the resort, but certainly not on the beach. Maybe near the inlet area. Someone could do a retro park with plastic palm trees, etc. I really don't see how it makes sense from an economic standpoint. It takes lodgers away from hotels and motels and reduces the likelihood that someone will rent a condo. That's bed tax that's not being collected, so why would the convention bureau even want to promote it? Someone created the dunes and restored native vegetation to protect the beach, but this seems to do just the opposite.

Title: Re: RV's on the beach.
Post by markcpeyko on Aug 26th, 2012, 7:01pm


Breaking news on the RV park. From the Cape May Herald: "Health Department to Wildwood: ‘Show Us Your Plans’ "

http://www.capemaycountyherald.com/article/government/wildwood/85995-health+department+wildwood+‘show+us+your+plans’

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