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Reply #15 - Jul 19th, 2010, 9:50pm
 
Quote from fuzzyscorpio on Jul 10th, 2010, 12:46pm:

It seemed to me that the siding on this home resembled the Doris Vernon Hotel's, which you or someone had told me was asbestos, hence my question. (It occurred to me later that this look would be more accurately described as a "chain link" pattern rather than "diamonds" as I originally wrote.)

 
It is my understanding that the Doris Vernon is to be demolished, and was being "prepped" for it last week.  So, if it's still around and you'd like to see it before it's gone, I'd consider doing it very soon...
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Reply #16 - Jul 19th, 2010, 10:12pm
 
My home has asbestos siding as well. It is well intact and seems very durable. I suppose when my Grandparents had it sided perhaps asbestos tiles were the upgrade of the day, as was aluminum siding to my parents and now of course vinyl. I am considering painting it and as yet have not researched the best type of paint and best application method. The siding underneath is wooden lap siding.
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Reply #17 - Jul 20th, 2010, 6:43am
 
Quote from jet on Jul 18th, 2010, 1:38pm:
We have asbestos siding on our house and have been living in the house close to 27yrs. We have never had a problem it wears like iron. The house is now up for sale, our Real Estate agent told us it is still in very good condition and we should not worry about it being a selling point, if it were flaking then it would be a problem.

That had to be music to your ears, given that the market is still so skewed to the buyer. Good luck with the sale, and thanks for sharing your experience with asbestos.
 
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It seemed to me that the siding on this home resembled the Doris Vernon Hotel's, which you or someone had told me was asbestos, hence my question. (It occurred to me later that this look would be more accurately described as a "chain link" pattern rather than "diamonds" as I originally wrote.)

It is my understanding that the Doris Vernon is to be demolished, and was being "prepped" for it last week.  So, if it's still around and you'd like to see it before it's gone, I'd consider doing it very soon...

Thanks for the warning. cry If I already had plans to visit the island in the near future I'd attempt to pay my respects to the DV. But it looked so bad by last September that I snapped two pictures (posted in my trip report here) and practically ran away. So sad. The fire code violation sign that apparently was hung on the door the day of the 2009 fire was still there as the second picture shows, and the DV just looked really forlorn. I'm not eager to see it looking still worse, as it probably does by now. If only someone had cared enough not to let this happen to a once-pretty building, which I will remember by my earlier pictures and the one Al shared with us in this post. I hope no one got any undeserved compensation out of that fire, but it wouldn't be the first time, of course.
 
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My home has asbestos siding as well. It is well intact and seems very durable. I suppose when my Grandparents had it sided perhaps asbestos tiles were the upgrade of the day, as was aluminum siding to my parents and now of course vinyl.  

Asbestos, aluminum, vinyl... it's all the same, it's all about wanting to perform very little maintenance very infrequently. All such convenience comes at a price, which is not always fully disclosed at the time of the transaction. Wink This single principle has dominated American life since the 1950s and accounts for many of the environmental and health issues that are biting us in the butt now. </soapbox>
 
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I am considering painting it and as yet have not researched the best type of paint and best application method. The siding underneath is wooden lap siding.

Not familiar with the term "lap," but "wooden" always sounds good... Wondering if you have considered stripping the house down to the wooden siding? I'd like to learn more about the costs involved with such a project. I suppose they have to give you a range depending on the as-yet-unseen condition of the older layer... I saw a conversation on some forum where someone wanted advice on repairing a section of asbestos siding that got damaged somehow (weather I think) and one of the replies, from someone supposedly employed in building trades, urged the poster to pay a professional to do it, for safety reasons. I would probably extend that even to painting, but then, I'm chicken—not that dealing with contractors is exactly a stroll on the boardwalk. undecided  Shocked Good luck with whatever you end up doing.
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Reply #18 - Jul 20th, 2010, 6:42pm
 
The mention of asbestos siding I suppose can conjure up an image of an old decrepit domicile. My home really, although old, is quite nice. And as I said the siding is well intact and presents no threat to anyone. A paint job will only more deeply encapsulate the asbestos and make it in a sense safer yet. I have considered taking the asbestos off and painting the wooden siding but my wife displayed a very real reluctance to do the work! Smiley By lap siding I mean much the same as each progressive piece of vinyl or aluminum siding overlaps the piece below it, so does each row of wood. I guess I needlessly complicated the explanation and could have said simply wooden siding. I have seen though over the past decade here where I live some magnificent color combination's that have been applied to wooden siding. I would just need to prepare myself for the excruciating prep work that would precede painting the wood. Not there yet! Smiley
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Reply #19 - Jul 20th, 2010, 9:48pm
 
Quote from warren on Jul 20th, 2010, 6:42pm:
The mention of asbestos siding I suppose can conjure up an image of an old decrepit domicile. My home really, although old, is quite nice.

Oh, I don't doubt that. Especially since you mentioned your grandfather having put the siding on. That means it dates back to "B.C." (Before Crapworld  Grin). One thing I know for sure about my dream house, wherever it may be: it was built no later than 1960.  
 
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And as I said the siding is well intact and presents no threat to anyone. A paint job will only more deeply encapsulate the asbestos and make it in a sense safer yet.

Sounds right intuitively but has that been demonstrated or measured in any way? Is there any chance that application of paint could actually dry out the siding material and make it more prone to peeling or flaking?  
 
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I have considered taking the asbestos off and painting the wooden siding but my wife displayed a very real reluctance to do the work! Smiley

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By lap siding I mean much the same as each progressive piece of vinyl or aluminum siding overlaps the piece below it, so does each row of wood. I guess I needlessly complicated the explanation and could have said simply wooden siding.

No, I should have gotten that, thanks for explaining.
 
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I have seen though over the past decade here where I live some magnificent color combination's that have been applied to wooden siding. I would just need to prepare myself for the excruciating prep work that would precede painting the wood. Not there yet! Smiley

Probably a now-or-never proposition. Once you've invested all the sweat equity required for painting the current exterior, I can't imagine you'd turn around a few years later and rip it all off. (Which I still maintain is a job for a specialist... but of course, they'll charge you specialist prices.)
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Reply #20 - Jul 21st, 2010, 11:59am
 
Quote from MMM on Jul 19th, 2010, 9:50pm:
Quote from fuzzyscorpio on Jul 10th, 2010, 12:46pm:

It seemed to me that the siding on this home resembled the Doris Vernon Hotel's, which you or someone had told me was asbestos, hence my question. (It occurred to me later that this look would be more accurately described as a "chain link" pattern rather than "diamonds" as I originally wrote.)


It is my understanding that the Doris Vernon is to be demolished, and was being "prepped" for it last week.  So, if it's still around and you'd like to see it before it's gone, I'd consider doing it very soon...

 
I took a few photos of the Doris Vernon last week. I wondered how they originally affixed asbestos shingles to the wall. The clapboards were removed and the wall area was simply covered in the shingles. So, in addition to being fireproof, the hard shingles also might have been impervious to moisture? A photo (pre-remediation, but the same day) appears below. (Note the crime-scene tape.)
 

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Reply #21 - Jul 21st, 2010, 1:03pm
 
I hate to burst anyone's bubble - or should I say "encapsulated workspace" - but the majority of time spent on painting is in the prep work. There's scraping, patching and repair – and all this comes before the paint can is opened. I'd worry about what's involved in prepping the work surface rather than the painting. There are rollers of varying thickness that can be used to cover rough and textured surfaces, so painting would be a breeze.
 
It's funny that I'm having an asbestos conversation 20 years after it came up in graduate school. I remember one class where a graduate assistant was talking about preserving and maintaining historic surfaces, and I referenced the asbestos-sided rooming houses and hotels in Wildwood. I said that even though the changes came later, the material seemed to define certain areas of the resort. His response: "You should always restore the original surface" or something equally dismissive. I was corrected, but not persuaded.  Wink Even today, I like the look of the diamond-pattern shingles on older buildings. The Avalon has them, as does the Doris Vernon. They seem to be part of the resort's "look" and history. Whether or not a building has asbestos shingles matters little when I'm on vacation. Truthfully, I'm more interested in the sanitation of the motel room.
 
To Warren: I'm kind of with your wife on this one, but I'll take things a little further. I imagine it would be stressful and expensive to turn your house into a hazmat site. And you never know the damage that was caused to the clapboards when the asbestos shingles were installed. I'd let sleeping dogs lie.
 
 
 
 
 
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Reply #22 - Jul 21st, 2010, 2:50pm
 
Thanks Mark for the advice. I really am leaning toward a paint job in the future. Besides filling all the nail holes-not to mention the hazmat disposal problem you mention-there is a tar paper underneath and I have to assume it has bled onto the lap siding further complicating prep work. OK, I've decided, I'm leaving it! Smiley The surface of the siding appears somewhat porous to a certain extent, that is to say there is a texture there that I THINK would accept paint well. I will have to research that. On a lighter note, I have applied for state funding for a beautiful new home but so far it has not come through....that is to say my numbers have not come up! Smiley
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Reply #23 - Jul 21st, 2010, 10:58pm
 
Sherwin-Williams is a good source for painting advice. If you don't want to take an asbestos shingle to a store, there are similar materials that could work. I didn't know until I Googled it, but this company makes a concrete-fiber shingle that could be used to replace a bad or missing shingle. See below.
 
http://www.gaf-weatherside.com/?gclid=CITHqpuP_qICFdFO5wodthgWeA
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Reply #24 - Jul 22nd, 2010, 8:10pm
 
I have been a house painter for over 25 years. I have dealt with many types of siding over the years and asbestos is one of the most sturdy and durable materials. Anything can be painted as long as it is properly prepared. I have painted many asbestos homes. Some were primed some were just painted. Sherwin-Williams is a good resource for any questions you may have about paint. Unfortunately most of that advise is given by people who don't use it every day. If anyone wants their question answered by a painter send me a PM. Please remember that my answers will be strictly my opinion and not necessarily the only answer.
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