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Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2011, 9:35pm
 
we get to see the same on our beloved boardwalk almost nightly in wildwood. what a shame that wildwood turned what it is today. i have to tell you when my husband and i go on the wildwood boardwalk in the summer, we are off it by 8pm. pleanty of things happen here without even making the newspapers. that would destroy tourism. just ask any local, we will tell you. my house is in north wildwood and i bought my son a house in wildwood crest. sometimes i wish i didn't have to drive thru wildwood city to get to the crest. all boardwalks have their problems, sometimes all it is is violent crimes in wildwood. us locals try very very hard at preserving the island, but it's getting harder and harder with each passing season.
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Reply #2 - Jul 15th, 2011, 1:58pm
 
Bopper, I've seen some pretty crazy stuff on the Boardwalk, especially in the wee hours. Nothing that has ever persuaded me to stay away, but certainly enough to know that I have to always keep my guard up.  
 
As a local, what kind of steps do you think can realistically be taken to curb the type of "activity" you refer to?
 
Curfew enforcement, more police presence, cameras, etc.?
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Reply #3 - Jul 15th, 2011, 4:48pm
 
I have to say that more cameras on the boardwalk and probably anywhere people walk at all hours might be a good thing. my son is a wildwood crest police officer and i get the information 1st hand. unfortunately not enough police presence, and when something does happen especially on the boardwalk, the summer officers usually have to call for the police. it's almost like they are afraid up there. as a local and a patron on and off the boardwalk, yes, i look behind me usually every minute that i am on the streets in wildwood or the boardwalk.  
in this changing world, there is now something called a 'flash mob'  they are the scum of the earth, and every single person on here should be equally as upset as i am over this. this is what is ruining wildwood as we know it. how would you like to be on the boardwalk with your family and all of a sudden a croud of 50 to 100 ghetto slugs push there way pass you and start their terror on the boardwalk including the merchants that are trying to conduct business and push you out of their way. literally. if you ever speak to the moreys, ask them what a flash mob is. the moreys make tons of telephone calls to the police for assistance.
how about before the season kicked in this year when 2 european girls were followed and touched and one slapped because she wouldn't allow the inappropriate conduct, or how about the boy who was playing on the beach and was kicked in the face for no reason by 5 guys? or how about the drug bust's in fox park at night or the heroin and cocaine problems at maxwell field (and not 1 time either) it is being sold out of there. how about our children who play there or walk there?  
or what about when a group of kids thought it would be funny to douse a older man sleeping on his porch with gasoline and throw a match at him?  all that man was doing was sleeping on his own porch.or that boy that was walking home from his baseball game and a 'local homeless' man on a stolen bike decided that he was going to grab this boys bat and beat him over the head until a point of unconsciousness and later pass away?
i could go on and on... but will not
 
like i've said wildwood has changed as we old folks know it.
you might say 'it's a different world' or 'times have changed'  
so do you accept that excuse? us locals do not. there are many communities within a community in north, west and the crest that take care of each other. did you notice that i left our beloved wildwood out? you bet!
so before you point the idle finger at atlantic city's boardwalk or seaside or any other boardwalk that we are so blessed to have, just remember i could go on & on with things that happen in the wildwoods (and i mean violent crime) but i am on here as a local voice who like i've said in my first post 'saw it all'
 
i want to thank everyone on here for being so interested in wildwood, but when all the tourists and vacationeers go home, i'm still here and will until the day i die.
 
i have given the wildwoods my heart, but a heart can break.
i will not sugar coat things anymore, we need help here. we are losing the battle
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Reply #4 - Jul 15th, 2011, 5:03pm
 
Quote from DooWopper on Jul 14th, 2011, 9:23pm:

Maybe it was when those great vintage photos posted with the article were taken. Now? Meh. And it's an apple among oranges. A more meaningful survey would exclude boardwalks where the most important business/entertainment assets are full-out gambling casinos.
 
P.S. Am I the only person who can't make any sense out of that first Steel Pier photo? It looks like it's floating in the middle of the ocean.
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Quote from fuzzyscorpio on Jul 15th, 2011, 5:03pm:
P.S. Am I the only person who can't make any sense out of that first Steel Pier photo? It looks like it's floating in the middle of the ocean.

I saw that too Kathi. Then I moved my mouse over the photo and a little pop-up box describes it as an undated photo showing the pier missing a section after a fierce storm. Never heard about that before, but we were never really big fans of AC anyway.
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I saw that too Kathi. Then I moved my mouse over the photo and a little pop-up box describes it as an undated photo showing the pier missing a section after a fierce storm.

Thanks Dave!! Now maybe my headache will go away  Grin
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Reply #7 - Jul 15th, 2011, 6:41pm
 
Welcome Bopper!
 
First off I in no means meant to say Wildwood has no problems, but I still think this poll was a big joke as AC is in no way fit to be the best boardwalk in the country.
 
Anyway, its nice to talk to a local from Wildwood. I'm like your neighbor to the north in Ocean County. I visit the Seaside Heights boardwalk several times a week in season, so I can understand your problems, probably on a larger scale as Seaside is, at least in my opinion, in worse shape then Wildwood.
 
It's VERY interesting you bring up flash mobs of thugs. Same thing in Seaside, except they take over the ENTIRE town. The bars, the boardwalk, and the beach. It was so bad after the 4th of July that the police had to use mace and close the boardwalk after 1am. Memorial Day was just as out of control, and someone got stabbed two blocks from where I was walking. This is a relatively new phenomenon, I have never seen these people on the boardwalk before, and especially never where families and locals were outnumbered to the point we didn't even seem to belong there. I heard that thugs and gangs are starting to spread out and take over towns on certain occasions, and I believe this is what has been happening in Seaside. These people were not locals, and even the so called "guidos" were hiding.  
 
I would hate to see this happen to Wildwood, I understand the flash mobs, but I hope it never gets to the point like it is on holidays in Seaside now. Granted, during any other night whether it be weekend or weekday it is fine, thee problems have only been coming on holidays. Seaside has a very heavy police presence on the boardwalk which reacts very quickly and keeps most problems under control, hence them being able to clear the boardwalk very quickly on the 4th. Perhaps Wildwood should have more officers on the boards.
 
A quick question for you, where have you been seeing the most problems on the boards? Where all the action is or on the quieter ends to the north and south?
 
As we have all stated here before, the run down areas around Pacific Ave need to be fixed, anything that attracts trouble into the town will and those people quickly spread to the boardwalk.
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Reply #8 - Jul 15th, 2011, 8:39pm
 
Its strange to me to hear all this. I must be visiting a parallel universe Wildwood boardwalk in all the times ive been there.
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Reply #9 - Jul 15th, 2011, 9:33pm
 
Thank you Bopper for your expressed appreciation of all of us and our love for your fair city. I am always interested in the opinion of the locals regarding the people who descend on the Wildwoods each year. And God Bless your son and the job he does.  
 
The things you suggest are very troubling. I had never heard of these flash mobs before. I am thinking of the level of mental process that causes a group of people to descend on an area primarily enjoyed by families and wreak their deeds. That fact throws about the biggest red flag I can imagine and would cause me to label them subculture.  There can be no existence between the two, culture and sub culture. The only solution is to stop it cold, quickly and violently. True zero tolerance, a lost concept. That requires what your son has called a deficiency of, a large law enforcement presence. It no doubt boils down to money but somehow, if this is truly a problem, the commitment of resources must be made or the Wildwoods is lost.  
 
Are you saying these mobs have ever made a visit to the Wildwoods?
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Quote from wildwood_since_85 on Jul 15th, 2011, 8:39pm:
Its strange to me to hear all this. I must be visiting a parallel universe Wildwood boardwalk in all the times ive been there.

 
lol I know. Personally, this will be our 10th year visiting Wildwood and I have yet to see even one problem while on the boardwalk, never anything bad. I realize a boardwalk, like any public place, will have issues, so when Bopper stated there are some problems I wasn't too surprised. However I still don't think it is anywhere as bad as Seaside or even worse AC. AC like Asbury is suffering from urban decay and all the problems that go along with that. While Pacific Ave needs help, the scale of Wildwood's less desirable area is much smaller then places where the entire town is in need of a bulldozer and a SWAT team. The only thing that concerns me in Wildwood is these "flash mobs" Bopper spoke of. I have never witnessed one there, but I have seen it happen in Seaside, and it is scary, particularly when the mob ends up being the majority of the people on the boardwalk. I don't think it will head that direction in Wildwood because there are not as many places for them to stay. Seaside is full of Section 8 housing and motels that will rent to anyone no matter what, it is also much cheaper then Wildwood. Most places in Wildwood are charging 150+ a night and these ghetto thugs won't be paying that, and many of the more blighted places have been turned into condos. I think if the downtown area is fixed up, the thugs will stay away. Besides that the boardwalk has been sprucing up a lot recently, that will only help to attract more families and keep trouble away. Wildwood is not exactly a day trip location so that is a plus for them as well. Seaside is an easy trip from urban areas in North Jersey so a room isn't even necessary.  
 
Increasing police presence on the Wildwood Boardwalk will help though, even if they are seasonal "rent a cops". In Seaside you cannot look in either direction without seeing a pair of Police Officers within shouting distance, and that show of force has IMO kept the town from riot situations. If Wildwood keeps a strong police presence on the board it will be less desirable for people looking to cause trouble because their chances of getting anything started will be pretty much nill.
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Reply #11 - Jul 15th, 2011, 10:02pm
 
Well i was there in late june and i saw none of these flash mobs that the moreys are making tons of calls about. The only mobs i saw were of families having a great time including mine.
 
I'll be back a few weeks from now with a full report on any sightings of people being tortured or the total chaos and free for all among the people that is apparently happening as we speak. I'll also be sure to bring my body armor with me and will apply for a gun license for self defense purposes. It so dangerous on the boardwalk - did you ever hear about the tram car thats there? you can get run over by it! Be careful everyone I wish you luck on your trips this summer.
 
 
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Quote from wildwood_since_85 on Jul 15th, 2011, 10:02pm:
Well i was there in late june and i saw none of these flash mobs that the moreys are making tons of calls about. The only mobs i saw were of families having a great time including mine.

I'll be back a few weeks from now with a full report on any sightings of people being tortured or the total chaos and free for all among the people that is apparently happening as we speak. I'll also be sure to bring my body armor with me and will apply for a gun license for self defense purposes. It so dangerous on the boardwalk - did you ever hear about the tram car thats there? you can get run over by it! Be careful everyone I wish you luck on your trips this summer.



 
I'll be down next Sunday you may need to come free me if they hold me hostage.  Wink
 
In all seriousness, like all places common sense and always being vigilant is necessary. It's a boardwalk, crazies will be there, but Wildwood is the tamest boardwalk I have seen besides Point Pleasant. That's just personal observation from my travels around the state.  
 
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Quote from wildwood_since_85 on Jul 15th, 2011, 8:39pm:
Its strange to me to hear all this. I must be visiting a parallel universe Wildwood boardwalk in all the times ive been there.

 
 
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking, Ws85!  (??)   Shocked
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Quote from wildwood_since_85 on Jul 15th, 2011, 8:39pm:
Its strange to me to hear all this. I must be visiting a parallel universe Wildwood boardwalk in all the times ive been there.

 
 
me too. Never had a lick of problems in 50 years going there...
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I would imagine that when you're on the "inside" (so to speak), with a close relative in the police or some similar line of work, you hear a lot of "dirt".  These are things that most are not typically privy to, nor do people necessarily want to be.  So all the bad stuff that a police officer has to deal with (and sometimes risk injury or more for) is something that they know, the people involved in whatever incident, and possibly a few others.  For the rest of us, the individual problems are taken care of.  Some towns may have less or more crime problems than others, some may do a better job at keeping news of such matters contained, etc.  This isn't just Wildwood - it's everywhere.
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Reply #17 - Jul 17th, 2011, 10:22am
 
I think our entire culture in public places has changed... You have to be vigilant 24 hours a day.  
I travel nationally/internationally and you really don't blink on the road.  
   (That being said) I have always considered Wildwood one of the happiest safest places on the planet and have never had any problems in my many years roaming the Boardwalk and streets of the WW's. I must give gredit to the Police force(s) on the island for their outstanding performance.
   Every town has a dark underbelly that goes mostly unnoticed by the average visitor. The police are the thin blue line that keeps keeps the bad guys away from the good guys (us). They have a tough job and it sounds like bopper worries about the bad guys hurting  her town.  
    Over the years I have seen WW go through many different stages .. both good and bad. Recent years have been really positive and much improved.We mostly celebrate that on this message board.
    Regarding boppers feelings regarding WW ...I completely understand her concerns. Her perspective is going to be different that ours as a resident,iwith a police officer in her family.
    I think bopper is full of interesting stories about her career on the Boardwalk..I look forward to some amazing tales from her as a Tram Car jockey! Smiley
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Reply #18 - Jul 17th, 2011, 11:51am
 
Well said Bob. We do live in different times. I have never seen any trouble in the years I have gone. I think Bopper's experience is one that those who don't live there are not aware of, although some probably are. The mention of "flash mops" alarmed me a little. The proliferation of groups and their ability to cause trouble seems to be increasing here and especially abroad. It is not a total stretch to imagine an occurrence in Wildwood and so vigilance must be maintained.
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Reply #19 - Jul 17th, 2011, 11:56am
 
Of course when you are dealing with a place that gets hundreds of thousands of visitors over the summer there are going to be some incidents that happen here and there. Thats going to happen anywhere. It cant be avoided. Theres going to be a very very tiny % of people that look to cause trouble. Thats life.
 
If things were as bad as what was mentioned who would ever go back in a million years? The place would be a ghost town. Give me a break this is ridiculas.
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I was trying to ignore all this, but it won't go away, so if I may voice my perspective, please…
 
Bopper's persona and comments may all be genuine and rooted in real personal experience, but given an unidentified user with no track record here other than what I've just described, I suggest we sit back a little and reserve judgment on this whole episode. Among the possibilities here is that this is someone who's extremely unhappy to have Mayor Troiano back in office. We are all entitled to our opinions about him and other officials, of course. But if you hide your agenda, I discount your opinion, personally.
 
A couple more views from where I sit:  
 
1) I am an older woman who has spent many very late hours alone on the Wildwood boardwalk every year since roughly 1995, and I support the spirit, if not the exact words and tone, of the responses from wildwood_since_85 on this thread. And as Martin said, "this isn't just Wildwood, it's everywhere." Random example: The other night I took a brief walk along busy Christopher Street in NYC's Greenwich Village, which I've visited regularly since the 1970s. Nearly every shop, bar, and restaurant had a sign in the window I'd never seen before (all of them identical, obviously the product of some organized effort): "Help Stop Crime and Violence/Christopher Street."
 
2) I agree with Al's defense of DooWopper (Greg) in the other thread ( http://www.doowopusa.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1310693318/10#10 ). Greg may have gotten sucked into banter a little more than I would have advised him to do here, but he was NOT "rude." Quite the contrary.  
 
Greg mentioned that he'd hate to see Wildwood go the way of Seaside. I can't comment on that knowledgeably because the last time I was on the Seaside boardwalk was 1998, and it was not a pleasant experience. Granted it was the Fourth of July, not a smart move on my part, but I did feel uneasy about some of the folks I was sharing the boardwalk with. That was 13 years ago. I've never felt like that in Wildwood and hopefully never will.  
 
Something I would hate to see, and if this is an agenda it's certainly never been hidden, is for this forum to go the way of Spout Off. I will never be convinced the world needs two of those. Before anyone bends over backward to persuade Bopper to stay, I recommend you meditate on this comment and, again, the fact that it was made one day after joining us:
 
Quote from Bopper22 on Jul 15th, 2011, 4:48pm:
i want to thank everyone on here for being so interested in wildwood, but when all the tourists and vacationeers go home, i'm still here and will until the day i die.

 
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Reply #21 - Jul 17th, 2011, 4:09pm
 
Well Kathi, since you made reference to something I said I will explain my meaning. My reference to violent reaction, probably a poor choice of words, was simply meant to establish how police operate in countering an unruly force with superior, and swift opposing force. Were it not for that the police gaining the upperhand they would be overcome, an extraordinarily dangerous position. I sometimes get a little too dramatic I suppose and it goes to how we, each other on here sometimes don't understand things in the exact context of others words but I do see how my words were overblown. A useful reminder to make communication on here as accurate as possible so misunderstandings are avoided. We all make mistakes and if new to a discussion forum in my opinion, it can sometimes be a learning transition from perhaps how we think and talk to our particular circle of friends and acquaintances. The same technique is in my opinion not directly transferable to a forum where there are many people. It takes time to learn and adjust to talking in such a venue. It is for that reason that I encouraged Bopper not to leave.
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Reply #22 - Jul 17th, 2011, 5:01pm
 
Kathi thanks for posting that and your insight on this. And supporting the spirit of what i said. Im not sure what tone or words you werent crazy about but my sarcasm was fully warranted. Everyone on this board recognizes there are some problems in certain parts of the island. That was just a bashing i coudnt not respond to.  
 
I summed up how everyone here so far has responded:
 
Me - never a problem ever since 1985
 
Greg - Feels he's been on a parallel universe boardwalk - Concerns about run down areas around Pacific Ave (fair enough)
 
Jeff - Feels he's been on a parallel universe boardwalk
 
Frank - 50 years no problems!
 
Bob - never had any problems in many years roaming the Boardwalk and streets of the WW's
 
Warren - Has never seen any trouble in the years he has gone  
 
Al - has seen some stuff at wee hours in the morning - Nothing that has ever persuaded him to stay away
 
Kathi - spent many very late hours alone on the Wildwood boardwalk every year since roughly 1995 (and your still here amazing)
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2) I agree with Al's defense of DooWopper (Greg) in the other thread ( http://www.doowopusa.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1310693318/10#10 ). Greg may have gotten sucked into banter a little more than I would have advised him to do here, but he was NOT "rude." Quite the contrary.

 
You see I suffer from a problem, being related to my grandfather, the man who thinks a daily argument is good for ones health. Wink (He does have a heart of gold though)
 
Thank you Kathi, (and thank you Al). The Internet is a funny place when it comes to communication and it is certainly harder to always catch jokes and sarcasm, but I would NEVER wish to offend or hurt anyone. I can disagree with someone completely and even get into little scuffs with them but in the end I value their opinion and love them as a person. The same is true here, every one of you are great and I am honored and blessed to be in your company and share my love for Wildwood with you. Not everyone has a graceful entrance to an online forum, especially if they are not used to them. If Bopper comes back happy, that's great, if she is gone for good, I wish her the best. I only feel bad because not only is it nice to have people who live there year round here (we need someone to keep us up to date on winter happenings Grin) but I wish we could help promote the importance of Doo-Wop and preservation to the local people more. The one thing that bothers me about this forum is despite our huge (probably biggest in the world) collective pool of knowledge and ideas for Wildwood, we still seem pretty disconnected from the DWPL and thus getting our message from here to where it needs to go is difficult. Talking to some locals on here would help that. Anyway, I think this thread took a whole different turn from what I expected, but I think we all learned some important things in it both related to the topic and not related to the topic.
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Reply #24 - Jul 18th, 2011, 12:48pm
 
Warren, Ken and Greg, I think your comments since my previous post are great. Glad you gave them the time and thought that you did.
 
Ken, that rundown of reactions on the thread was pretty interesting to see. More of a consensus than I had recognized.
 
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I sometimes get a little too dramatic I suppose and it goes to how we, each other on here sometimes don't understand things in the exact context of others words but I do see how my words were overblown. A useful reminder to make communication on here as accurate as possible so misunderstandings are avoided.

That can be difficult because time is so chronically short for most of us the way we live now. I'm very familiar (in all kinds of situations, not just on this forum) with the frustration of feeling that I've spent time tweaking for clarity, and successfully so, but finding that the person on the other end still seems to be hearing interference on the line. Nevertheless, I couldn't agree more that any effort toward maximum precision in expressing ourselves is worthwhile. Conversely, sloppiness often will land us in the doo-doo.  Cheesy
 
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every one of you are great and I am honored and blessed to be in your company and share my love for Wildwood with you.

What a nice thing to say. I think most of us feel that way but it's great that you voiced it.
 
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The one thing that bothers me about this forum is despite our huge (probably biggest in the world) collective pool of knowledge and ideas for Wildwood, we still seem pretty disconnected from the DWPL…

Yes.
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Re: Really?
Reply #25 - Jul 18th, 2011, 9:34pm
 
We can apply some blame to both sides on this one. For a newbie, it would probably be best not to come on so strong and so suddenly with opinions that are in conflict with those held by the majority of this board. Ease yourself in, get to know the other members, and then feel free to share your thoughts and opinions, however controversial, so long as they contribute to the topics at hand and are expressed in good faith.
 
If your tone is aggressively negative right out of the gate, most members are going to assume you are here as a basher/troll and more of a destructive force than constructive. Hence the reaction of several of our regulars in this case.
 
That said, veteran members of the forum shouldn't be so quick to get on the case of new members who don't initially appear to fit the usual mold. Give newbies a chance to assimilate to forum culture before taking matters into your own hands. Alert the moderators to any posts you feel are of questionable intent.
 
We do generally prefer to keep things positive and upbeat here, but obviously the real world does not always follow suit, Wildwood being no exception, and hearing the opinions of Wildwood locals on the state of their community as they see it can be a very valuable part of the conversation here.
 
I have appealed to Bopper to consider giving the forum one more try, but it will ultimately be her decision whether to return.
 
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