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Reply #30 - Jul 24th, 2012, 9:33am
 
In regard to MMM comment on the uniform tax for condos and townhouses
 
Sorry but not trying to get off subject on this topic of RV's on beach which I feel would still be happening if everyone was taxed uniformily. more revenue would mean more senseless spending. It's not like they would get this addtional revenue and  would then reduce the tax from 14% to 10% for the motels/hotels to help them out by leveling the playing field. The city would find ways to spend this addtional revenue on some senseless project(s) rather then helping reduce the deficit or keeping taxes down. When was the last time a city government reduced taxes in spite of increased revenues, its a one way street. Find it hard to believe that this hotel tax has anything to do with the city allowing RV's on the beach....from others comments it seems to go much deeper.
 
They raised the WW tourism tax to condos/townhouses by four-fold to help level the playing field for the Hotel/motels. So where is all this addtional revenue going to? One who think/hope that they could reduce the cost of the Tourism Tax for the motels with these additional revenues. Guessing they just raised there spending budget rather then helping out the motels or vacationers.
 
So back to the topic of RV's on the beach.......lets focus on the issue at hand. What does everyone want, a sea of waves or a sea of RV's?.... I vote for the waves
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Reply #31 - Jul 24th, 2012, 11:16am
 
Article in Press of AC  regarding RV protest on Sat.
 
 
WILDWOOD — A planned protest over the city’s decision to allow recreational vehicles to park on the beach has its own legal challenge.
 
Property owners at Wildwood Ocean Towers, a 10-story, 176-unit building that fronts the Boardwalk between Cresse and Bennett avenues, oppose the plan to allow 80 RVs to park on the beach near their homes. They received permission from the city to hold a protest Saturday.
 
“The overall message we want to get across is to not allow the city to do this,” condominium association President Bob Grandinetti said.
 
But instead of being allowed to hold the event on the Boardwalk, the city, citing safety concerns, has said the protest must be held on the beach in a one-block section between Cresse and Hildreth avenues. The city also wants the association to obtain a $1 million insurance certificate naming Wildwood as an additional insured for the protest.
 
“In granting the application, the city placed onerous restrictions on the association’s right of free expression,” reads the complaint filed in Cape May County Superior Court by the condominium association.
 
The association charges that the city’s decision means the protest would have to take place “effectively out of view of the public” in an area cluttered with construction equipment.
 
Roseland, Essex County-based association attorney Kaspar G. Karim, a longtime Wildwood visitor, said the association wants to hold the protest in a much more visible location on the Boardwalk at Rio Grande Avenue.
 
Mayor Ernie Troiano Jr. said Monday that having the protest on the beach rather than the Boardwalk was a matter of safety, given the heavy pedestrian and bike traffic on the boardwalk on summer weekends.
 
A judge is being asked to settle the matter so the protest can be held Saturday, but in the meantime the two sides continue to argue about what’s best for the city.
 
Troiano said the plan to allow RVs to park on the beach near Cresse Avenue is one component in a comprehensive programming and improvement plan for the city’s beach.
 
In a document created by Remington, Vernick & Walberg Engineers, the city details its plan to turn the vast beach into a hub of activity.
 
Possibilities include cabana rentals, fire pits, outdoor movies, surfing, beach bars, a fitness beach, rollerskating and rollerblading.
 
The goal of the plan is to “transform the beach (and Boardwalk) and reinforce the Wildwoods’ position as a leader in family oriented entertainment,” it says.
 
“We’re trying to create recurring revenue,” Troiano said, noting that many of the activities will charge user fees. “This is not a one-trick pony.”
 
The city, which has yet to introduce its 2012 budget, has been struggling to develop revenue streams. According to the state Department of Community Affairs' Division of Local Government Services, municipal budgets were supposed to be introduced by March 9 and adopted by April 4.
 
Grandinetti, a resident of Marlton, Burlington County, said he understood the need for the city to increase revenue, but he said the association opposes the RV aspect of the beach plan for several reasons.
 
“Our position is the city should look at other ways to generate revenue,” he said, suggesting more could be done to entice developers and to enforce parking-meter regulations in the city.
 
Grandinetti said the recreational vehicles would be an eyesore and would cause environmental problems and traffic jams.
 
He said oil drips and the waste the RVs produce, along with questions about how they would affect traffic at Cresse Avenue, where the Wildwood Crest bike path and the Boardwalk meet, are among the association’s concerns.
 
“It’s a bad idea for Wildwood in general, primarily because of the environmental issues,” he said.
 
Troiano, a lifelong city resident, said many of the complaints he had heard had nothing to do with the environment.
 
“They’re telling me, ‘I don’t want to see some white-trash trailer park in front of my property,’” Troiano said. “Shame on you for making those comments.”
 
Troiano said there will be rules in place for the RV owners to follow, and the park will be professionally run.
 
He said rather than reduce property values, the RV park and other beach amenities will ultimately increase the value of homes in Wildwood.
 
And, in the end, Troiano said, economics will decide the RV park’s future.
 
“If the RV park doesn’t work, we’ll look at eliminating it,” Troiano said.
 
Contact Trudi Gilfillian:
 
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Reply #32 - Jul 24th, 2012, 12:38pm
 
Oh boy, I see our 911 lines lighting up when this all happens! Yikes!!! Roll Eyes
What about the RV Owners who historically travel as a 'Total Family' with their Pets?
I know most of the campgrounds up in Cape May allow you to bring your Dogs with you.
I hope for fact if this does happen, they put some king of boundries on this whole mess. People will think because they are RV'ing in the Crest that it's ok to bring the Dog or Dogs where we all as locals can't go with Dogs like the Boardwalk (in season) and the Beach.
 
What a mess!
Just off the top of my head, I thought the Island had a No RV/ No Trailer rule.  
I am going to have to check at work about that.
Environmental wise, this concerns me with the excess oil and trash on the beach.
Well, time will tell what will happen
I almost always support Wildwood, but this one as a Native, i'm not too happy.
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Reply #33 - Jul 24th, 2012, 12:42pm
 
I always thought Troiano was a little arrogant, but now I'm convinced of it.    George
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Reply #34 - Jul 24th, 2012, 12:47pm
 
Quote from MABcove on Jul 24th, 2012, 9:33am:

In regard to MMM comment on the uniform tax for condos and townhouses...
They raised the WW tourism tax to condos/townhouses by four-fold to help level the playing field for the Hotel/motels.

 
I don't want to derail thing too much, but thanks!
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Reply #35 - Jul 24th, 2012, 12:51pm
 
Quote from cottoncandy on Jul 24th, 2012, 12:38pm:
Oh boy, I see our 911 lines lighting up when this all happens! Yikes!!! Roll Eyes
What about the RV Owners who historically travel as a 'Total Family' with their Pets?
I know most of the campgrounds up in Cape May allow you to bring your Dogs with you.
I hope for fact if this does happen, they put some king of boundries on this whole mess. People will think because they are RV'ing in the Crest that it's ok to bring the Dog or Dogs where we all as locals can't go with Dogs like the Boardwalk (in season) and the Beach.

What a mess!
Just off the top of my head, I thought the Island had a No RV/ No Trailer rule.
I am going to have to check at work about that.
Environmental wise, this concerns me with the excess oil and trash on the beach.
Well, time will tell what will happen
I almost always support Wildwood, but this one as a Native, i'm not too happy.

 
 
What about the hook-up's for the sites? Water, Sewer & Electric? Are they installing them on the beach? Just wondering
or don't they need the hook-up's? I don't know since I don't camp
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Reply #36 - Jul 24th, 2012, 1:06pm
 
The other possibilities noted in the article above for utilizing the (very wide) Wildwood proper beach don't sound like a bad idea, but a cluster of RVs does.  It's not even that they're RVs - it could be any motor vehicle for me - it's more that having a glorified parking lot on the beach is not something that would be considered "entertainment" (except maybe for those actually parked there) or something that can enhance the beach/boardwalk experience.
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Reply #37 - Jul 26th, 2012, 2:24pm
 
As much chaos as this suggestion would cause, and I'm probably oversimplifying... but if this goes into effect, couldn't residents and people/businesses localized to that area blitz the police with complaints to the point that the PD would be on their side just to make those stop?
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Reply #38 - Jul 26th, 2012, 10:27pm
 
Visited friends today at Ocean Towers and noticed that everything has been set up on the beach for the scheduled arrival of RVs on Saturday.   Angry     George
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Reply #39 - Jul 26th, 2012, 11:00pm
 
Any word on how many are gonna be rolling in on sat..wow this seemed to happen real fast
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Reply #40 - Jul 28th, 2012, 10:49pm
 
A report on today's protest:
 
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/top_three/protest-plan-to-allow-rvs-on-t he-beach-in-wildwood/article_11fe3860-d90e-11e1-a036-0019bb2963f4.html
 
Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2012 7:45 pm
 
By RICHARD DEGENER Staff Writer
 
About 300 protesters, carrying signs and chanting in unison, walked the Wildwood Boardwalk between Leaming and Hildreth avenues Saturday to fight a city plan to allow recreational vehicles on the beach.
 
“No RVs on our beach, no RVs,” chanted protesters, many of whom own condominiums at the nearby Wildwood Ocean Towers.
 
A banner plane even flew overhead protesting the RV plan. The placards protesters carried summed up some of their concerns.
 
“We want dunes, not RVs,” read one.
 
“RVs belong in a campground,” read another.
 
The city plans to allow RVs on the beach as a way to increase revenue. The city does not have beach tags, but Mayor Ernie Troiano is hoping to create some form of recurring revenue from the strand.
 
Robert Ferris, a member of the condominium association, said the city may realize $200,000 in revenue by allowing RVs but may lose as much in taxes as properties are devalued.
 
“Our building has 176 units, and we pay about $1 million in taxes. This will devalue our properties. They will lose in property tax whatever they gain in revenue,” Ferris said.
 
Most of the protesters, who also came from neighboring Wildwood Crest and North Wildwood, were not concerned with economics as much as safety, pollution, noise and other issues.
 
“Water comes up to the Boardwalk in a storm, and in a good storm comes under the Boardwalk,” said condo owner Bruce Balady. “What will they do, tow out the RVs?”
 
Another concern is using Cresse Avenue to access the beach. The protesters say this is a busy area and that it is not a safe plan.
 
“All it will take is one accident, and that will be the end of this,” said Karim Kaspar, the attorney for the protesters.
 
Several protesters were worried about their children and grandchildren going to the beach and having to pass the RVs.
 
“I don’t want my grandchildren walking through a trailer park,” said Willa Piplitz, who has lived across the street on Ocean Avenue since 1947.
 
Condo owner Andy Thomas worried about the types of people who would camp on the beach.
 
“It will be like an Eagles game with tailgaters getting drunk,” Thomas said.
 
Pollution is another concern. The park will not have electricity, so the protesters say generators will be running all night long, causing air and noise pollution. Some worry about sewage being dumped on the beach, as the RVs will have to use their own holding tanks while they are there.
 
“They will dump when nobody’s looking. They don’t want to take it back with them,” said Colette Pecsi, who lives six blocks away in Wildwood Crest.
 
There was also a bit of animosity about perks the RVs owners could avail themselves of on beaches that are officially closed to the public between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m.
 
“Residents can’t have a pet on the beach. We can’t grill on the beach. We can’t have alcohol. We can’t even go on the beach after 10 o’clock at night,” said Ocean Avenue resident Cindy Criss.
 
Some offered solutions. Pecsi said the city should institute a minimal beach tag fee to raise money from the beaches. Others just wanted the RVs moved to a different beach.
 
The area for the RVs has been staked out with 78 spots, but none is actually there yet. Ian Cairns, whose company Point Break Group Management LLC recently received a five-year beach concession contract, said RV rentals will begin this week at $150 a night for a 60-foot spot and $120 for a 30-foot spot.
 
“It’s a huge beach. There’s tons of room for everyone,” Cairns said.
 
The RVs, Cairns noted, are just one component of a beach festival that will run for five weekends beginning Aug. 18. He said they got a late start this year, but plans are for beach events between Memorial Day and Labor Day in 2013. The company’s plans include teaching surfing and paddle-boarding while offering volleyball, inflatable water slides, water cannons for children, BMX competitions, platforms for skateboarding, paintball, and other events. Cairns said he has founded surfing competitions in California.
 
“All of the issues they are protesting are the same issues we are concerned about. I’ve been a surfer for 45 years. I want to surf in a clean ocean,” Cairns said.
 
He said a crew will handle trash and there will be security at the RV location. All RVs will be required to pump out sewage before they arrive and, if they fill up, will be required to leave and pump out again. Cairns said RV generators are very quiet.
 
“They will be an asset to Wildwood and will bring revenue to businesses,” Cairns said.
 
Robert Grandinetti, president of the condominium association, said the protest “was outstanding. He said only about 100 of the 300 protesters were from Wildwood Ocean Towers. He said the group also collected signatures on a petition protesting the RVs.
 
“We’ll give it to (Mayor) Troiano, for what it’s worth. We’re not sure he’s listening to us,” Grandinetti said.
 
Contact Richard Degener:
 
609-463-6711
 
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Reply #41 - Jul 29th, 2012, 12:07pm
 
It looks like I won't be staying at the Adventurer again.  Sad I like an oceanfront room and don't want a view of a parking lot  Angry  The safety issue is important too. Many people access the boardwalk right where the vehicles will be driving on to the beach. What the heck is going on in the city leader's minds? I don't want RV's on the beach, but wouldn't the area at the Convention Center be a more suitable spot? There are no oceanfront motels or homes there. Maybe vehicle access is the problem, but how do trucks get to the Convention Center to re-supply? Isn't there a tunnel under the boardwalk there? Not wide or high enough? We can only hope the protests help get rid of this "brilliant" idea or not many RV's actually show up and the plan gets trashed.
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Reply #42 - Jul 29th, 2012, 12:41pm
 
There is a driveway that goes down from street level on Ocean Avenue for the Convention Center, yes.  I'm not familiar with its dimensions, clearances, etc.
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Reply #43 - Jul 29th, 2012, 1:27pm
 
Quote from Steve63 on Jul 29th, 2012, 12:07pm:
It looks like I won't be staying at the Adventurer again.  Sad I like an oceanfront room and don't want a view of a parking lot  >: 

 
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Reply #44 - Jul 29th, 2012, 1:38pm
 
I have a question for those on here who have undoubtedly had the pleasure of driving on the beach at some point....what challenge if any does the sand give to a heavy vehicle as far as the possibility of getting stuck. How well does a vehicle traverse the soft dry sand? Any issue?
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